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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:19 pm 
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I am a great fan of the Swiss democracy with much of the power in the peoples hands, the are only Associate Members of the EU, the pay a membership fee which is per capita higher than ours, however whilst this buys them market access they do not have to accept any of the laws.


The Swiss are members of the European Economic Area which is nothing to do with the EU.

They also take years to change anything sue to the constant need for referenda - the last canton only gave women the vote in 1990 ffs.

They also collaborated with the Germans in WWII (hence why we bombed them) whilst claiming to be neutral which makes them as trustworthy as the RoI.

The EU is also responsible for giving you most of the consumer protection rights you have now and many of your employment rights.


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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:02 pm 
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Old Holborn wrote:

Who actually votes for an MEP?

No one. You vote for a party, who then select a "suitable" representative on your behalf. Like the two Guido exposed yesterday. Apparently, it may be difficult to sack them as they are now members of the "EU christian democratic alliance", not the Torys at all.



Well there ya go. Most brits don't even know what a Euro MP is. Hardly the fault of the EU, is it?! It's up to (useless) British government to tell you about them and help you elect them. Yes, you can vote on who represents you in Europe and you can personally contact all the ones for your region:

http://www.europarl.org.uk/guide/GEPmain.htm
http://www.europarl.org.uk/guide/Gelectionsmain.html
http://www.europarl.org.uk/uk_meps/MembersMain.htm

MEPs sure seem a lot more accessible than your lonesome local MP.


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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:48 pm 
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Old Holborn wrote:
Excellent retort.

At last some decent, informed debate on this effing site. Moz and Elvis'll be along in a minute to **** it all up.

In the meantime, as I prepare to counter your arguments, I have to feed 13 bastard teenagers (half of them German exchange students) with Pizza.

I'll be back later, the little shites

Yes, excellent exchange, the both of you.
Good spectator sport too, Eh Moz :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:25 am 
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The EU is also responsible for giving you most of the consumer protection rights you have now and many of your employment rights.

Why don't they stick to what they're good at then, instead of driving disastrous policies like Agriculture and Fishing?

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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:27 am 
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Sciatico wrote:
Old Holborn wrote:

Who actually votes for an MEP?

No one. You vote for a party, who then select a "suitable" representative on your behalf. Like the two Guido exposed yesterday. Apparently, it may be difficult to sack them as they are now members of the "EU christian democratic alliance", not the Torys at all.



Well there ya go. Most brits don't even know what a Euro MP is. Hardly the fault of the EU, is it?! It's up to (useless) British government to tell you about them and help you elect them. Yes, you can vote on who represents you in Europe and you can personally contact all the ones for your region:

http://www.europarl.org.uk/guide/GEPmain.htm
http://www.europarl.org.uk/guide/Gelectionsmain.html
http://www.europarl.org.uk/uk_meps/MembersMain.htm

MEPs sure seem a lot more accessible than your lonesome local MP.

Links inaccessible last night, and still inaccessible this morning.

This tells a story in itself, eh? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:41 am 
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You say that the Swiss collaborated with the Germans during WW2, but so did Italy, Spain, France, Austria, Hungary, Finland and Sweden when it suited their arms order book.
As for Switzerland's current wealth being solely due to bars of Nazi gold on the bed of Lake Zurich, well I can only retort that you watch far too much TV and are divorced from the reality of the Swiss economy. An economy that provides the Swiss with the highest standard of living and services in the world and they have never had a socialist Gov.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:06 am 
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Andy.I wrote:
Sciatico wrote:
Old Holborn wrote:

Who actually votes for an MEP?

No one. You vote for a party, who then select a "suitable" representative on your behalf. Like the two Guido exposed yesterday. Apparently, it may be difficult to sack them as they are now members of the "EU christian democratic alliance", not the Torys at all.



Well there ya go. Most brits don't even know what a Euro MP is. Hardly the fault of the EU, is it?! It's up to (useless) British government to tell you about them and help you elect them. Yes, you can vote on who represents you in Europe and you can personally contact all the ones for your region:

http://www.europarl.org.uk/guide/GEPmain.htm
http://www.europarl.org.uk/guide/Gelectionsmain.html
http://www.europarl.org.uk/uk_meps/MembersMain.htm

MEPs sure seem a lot more accessible than your lonesome local MP.

Links inaccessible last night, and still inaccessible this morning.

This tells a story in itself, eh? :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:12 am 
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oldrwb wrote:
You say that the Swiss collaborated with the Germans during WW2, but so did Italy, Spain, France, Austria, Hungary, Finland and Sweden when it suited their arms order book.
As for Switzerland's current wealth being solely due to bars of Nazi gold on the bed of Lake Zurich, well I can only retort that you watch far too much TV and are divorced from the reality of the Swiss economy. An economy that provides the Swiss with the highest standard of living and services in the world and they have never had a socialist Gov.


Come off it. Switzerland was built on "discrete" banking.


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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:42 am 
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Old Holborn wrote:
Excellent retort.

At last some decent, informed debate on this effing site. Moz and Elvis'll be along in a minute to **** it all up.
Bollocks to you too.

I had no intention of contributing to this thread, until reading that unnecessary and condescending piece of shit.
You seem to have difficulty controlling yourself, it may be time to consider it a problem!

I think your idea of "informed debate" that's littered with ***** and XXXX expletives leaves much to be desired, that you're a pompous, knowall arshole and as bad or worse than any politician who ever breathed.

You reject, out of hand, anyone you consider to be unworthy of membership here because of their limited intellect, yet you're stupid enough to be coerced into taking a rip off holiday at Center Parcs, in spite of having had prior warning and you're also brainless enough ("I know my tides.") to leave your excuse for a motor car to the mercy of nature.


If you don't like us brainless idiots, at least try to be less condescending and smile in the face of adverstity, instead of flouncing out in a huff and sweeping back as if nothing had happened.

This, "effing site" is an open forum for the intellectual and braindead alike, so get used to it or piss off.


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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:02 am 
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Yup, right on time

Thanks for that Elvis.

Got any views on Europe and the expenses culture dominated by troughers? Got any input from the Spanish MEP's? Any figures regarding how much EU funding has been ploughed into obscure Spanish projects? Any idea how much Spain contributes per capita?

Thought not.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:24 am 
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I'm quite sure that you have enough of the figures, so if you feel the need to publish them here, go for it.
I am content to read or listen to news and not being very politically minded, unlike your good self, I have little interest in spreading those particular words.

I've written about the trucker's strike that will possibly and very shortly have an effect on millions of lives.
I gather you have either already composed a comment to that subject or simply chosen not to read something written by that boring git Elvis.

"Yup, right on time."
My arse it was, as I explained, I had no intention of contributing to this topic and if you knew when to keep your big, fat trap shut, I wouldn't have.

I see you as a John Prescott type, probably fat, aggressive, full of hot air and a waste of space.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:39 am 
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Elvis wrote:
I'm quite sure that you have enough of the figures, so if you feel the need to publish them here, go for it.
I am content to read or listen to news and not being very politically minded, unlike your good self, I have little interest in spreading those particular words.

I've written about the trucker's strike that will possibly and very shortly have an effect on millions of lives.
I gather you have either already composed a comment to that subject or simply chosen not to read something written by that boring git Elvis.

"Yup, right on time."
My arse it was, as I explained, I had no intention of contributing to this topic and if you knew when to keep your big, fat trap shut, I wouldn't have.

I see you as a John Prescott type, probably fat, aggressive, full of hot air and a waste of space.


You remind me of a menopausal hag, Elvis. All bitch and no substance.


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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:44 am 
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Sciatico wrote:
You remind me of a menopausal hag, Elvis. All bitch and no substance.
Thank you for those few kind words.

As we appear to have moved on to a general slanging match:
May I say you remind me of a wide eyed, innocent child, looking at the world through rose tinted glasses, dreaming of good things appearing from a magic lamp. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
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Elvis wrote:
Sciatico wrote:
You remind me of a menopausal hag, Elvis. All bitch and no substance.
Thank you for those few kind words.

As we appear to have moved on to a general slanging match:
May I say you remind me of a wide eyed, innocent child, looking at the world through rose tinted glasses, dreaming of good things appearing from a magic lamp. :wink:


Not at all. I already know the many things the EU has enabled me to do, far more pros than cons. It's the ignorant that desire GB to become even more irrelevant, just like them.


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 Post subject: Re: EU Expenses
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:09 pm 
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Some say we should dump the EU and align more with the USA. Sadly, being in the EU is a necessity for the USA to take us seriously.

The EU has too many diverse economies and cultures to run well, by and large it runs tolerably with a few well publicised excesses. FWIW at least the Lisbon treaty gives us back the right to exit the EU.

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