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 Post subject: Re: How very dare he..
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:45 pm 
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The spectacle of a fat man telling me how to save £8 a week by not throwing out the last mouldy sprout, while giving his own friends £30 a day of my money for lunch, almost brought mine back into view.

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It is alarming that this government can state catagorically that the average family 'wastes' £8.32p worth of food per week.

How the hell did they arrive at this figure. Is there is a govt. department which calculates this sort of thing? If so,they must also have worked out the number of buttons lost off clothing every week, and the total amount of toilet paper wasted both at the start and finish of the roll.

You can just see Brown's team of advisors/speechwriters, when asked what diversionary topic Gordon can shout about at the G8, coming up with "Food waste in the UK".

The bottom of the barrel really has been scraped.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:02 pm 
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Victor Fawlty wrote:

How the hell did they arrive at this figure. Is there is a govt. department which calculates this sort of thing?


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You don't think the Stasi haven't got access to all that lovely data do you?

"You are what you eat" apparently. In that case Gordon eats dog turds and I'm feasting on Molotov cocktails

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Victor Fawlty wrote:
It is alarming that this government can state catagorically that the average family 'wastes' £8.32p worth of food per week.


Vic, I know you're Welsh but even that can't excuse your astonishing display of naivety.

Every time you use a clubcard - they know it
Every time you park your car - they know it
Every time you use a credit card - they know it
Every time you empty your bin - they know it
Every time you shop online - they know it
Every time you send an email - they know it
Every time you phone your Missus from the fruit & veg section - they know it
Every time you use the Tube - they now it.

Vic, these bastards pry into EVERY corner of your life whether you realise it or not.

Gordon owns YOUR arse boyo. Never forget it. And don't even think about reverting to cash. The effers even record the contents of your wheelie bin.

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Well if they study our Tesco loyalty card, good luck to 'em.

Also there is no way whatsoever they know how much, and of what, we throw out every week. Our bags are thrown into a huge collection truck, along with everyone elses. Most of them split open anyway.

All the other things on your list are totally irrelevant.

Has paranoia really set in, or have you boys been drinking this lunchtime? :wink:


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The point I am making Vic is that the government knows more about you and your habits than your wife does.

It'd be naive to believe otherwise.

If they want to find out what you have thrown away, believe me, they will.



Gordon and his crew make Erich Honecker and friends look like rank amateurs when it comes to information gathering and spying on the population.

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Victor Fawlty wrote:
Well if they study our Tesco loyalty card, good luck to 'em.

Also there is no way whatsoever they know how much, and of what, we throw out every week. Our bags are thrown into a huge collection truck, along with everyone elses. Most of them split open anyway.

All the other things on your list are totally irrelevant.

Has paranoia really set in, or have you boys been drinking this lunchtime? :wink:


It is not what you throw out, it is what you "consume" that interests the State. Do you really think all those billions spent on expensive mainframe computers sit and idle all night waiting for the end of month civil service pension run?

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"If I managed my food like you manage my taxes I’d be catapulting frozen turkeys out of the house in a quantity sufficient to make SW12 look like it was at the receiving end of some sort of biblical plague."




@courtesy http://brackenworld.blogspot.com/

oh, and here's the half a million quid well spent to send Gordon (times are tough. Don't blame me, eat more leftovers) to Japan

http://tinyurl.com/6nvhot

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Have to say I'm not really 'bovvered' if the govt. know what I consume. If the retailers from whom we puchase all our goodies knows, and they sell/give the information to HMG then so be it. Besides, I questioned only the governments's ability to fathom out how the average family throws out/wastes £8.32p a week.....they are just not that clever !

I really do think you boys have drunk deeply from the cup of neurosis. I hate this govt. as much as any, but I will not credit them with more savvy than they have. Even if they DID manage to collect that data, then they'd undoubtedly lose it in the post.

Besides, for just a few pounds a week the lads round here would gladly supply all manner of details about all aspects of their habits and consumption...(With the obvious exception of any part-time work they may be involved in). :twisted:


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LET THEM EAT LEFTOVERS

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I think Elvis does make a valid point within this grump that beneath all of our bluster there is indeed an issue regarding the amount of food that some waste and the moral and fiscal ramifications that spring from those choices.

I don't think that is the particular argument on this occasion though Elvis and anyway it presupposes a number of factors.

The first would be that while some, or even at a push, many over-buy when set against their nutritional requirements that is not all of us. At the first sign of rising utility prices, fuel hikes and increases in the price of staples I took a long hard look at how I split my net income up . It's an ongoing process to cut back on waste but from the section of the master spreadsheet marked 'food', without being to melodramatic, there is relatively little more I could do without crossing the event horizon and moving into marginal calorific deficit. My income is fairly low, the proportion I spend on food relatively high(like many at the lower end of things) and therefore a natural early target for austerity measures.I'm not complaining or casting myself as a victim in this, just stating a fact that that's how it is at the moment.

The second point (which by the first point clearly does not include myself for the most part) is that in this country we are currently in love with a profusion of cookery programmes and the fashion for domestic culinary expertise which IMHO encourages waste. A typical recipe ingredient list will involve one or examples of exotica which will be expensive, available in in an unwieldy or indivisible quantity, have the lifespan of a butterfly and be almost useless in any other recipe context whatsoever.
If one is to eat to this standard or ideal then then the accumulation of waste is likely to be vast. Obviously this remains a lifestyle choice for the moment but one that many take pleasure in which leads to my next point.

Even if we accept that this type of consumption pattern is technically resource inefficient what actually is wrong with buying lots of food as for many it is a one of the great pleasures of life, a viable if fleeting escape from the overarching doom at a macro level and , at least until today, a legitimate and occasionally sophisticated way of enriching out leisure time while re-distributing some of our ever diminishing disposable income in a manner of our choosing?
Do food 'wasters' deserve such vilification or Brown the inevitable approbation of the usual sort of champagne socialists keen to batter the haves by short-circuiting and ring-fencing the moral high ground in the name of the have-nots? After all that is where it will head, like environmentalism, will it not?

Perhaps the real rub of the grump from DAL and others as I read it is that our ignoble leader not only does not practice what he preaches thus exhibiting once again a deeply insulting and thinly veiled level of patronising hypocrisy but that more importantly that within this latest declaration is the hidden seed of further taxation.

If we tighten our belts over this issue (and it could equally be any other component of net disposable income) then what else will we be encouraged to tighten for 'the greater good'? Our expectations of our government perhaps?, our resistance to relinquishing an even higher proportion of income to direct taxation?

It could be argued that we are simply seeing the start of a long campaign of attrition with the express aim of pulling off that Rosetta stone of politics - maintaining the miasma of increasing standards of liberty and equity while surreptitiously tipping the balance of power between elected and electorate in ones favour.

What greater moment to take the initiative than when an election remains at least two years away and the recessional fog of war excuses an indeterminate level of collateral damage and death by friendly fire while the electorate remains in shell shock.

All major parties will gain marginally by this and I see few offering much but a tepid murmur of condemnation.

Exactly how far from a crackdown and a state of emergency are we?

Closer than we were yesterday I believe.

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 Post subject: Re: How very dare he..
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:09 pm 
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lucemferre wrote:
But also as I said before, it does not help when most food I end up with in my basket seems to have a use by date two or three days from the date of purchase.


A good point. Thanks to the modern yuppies demanding nothing should have additives in, we are now faced with this dilemma (and higher prices as a result). No additives means shorter use by dates. I’m waiting for some numpty to reverse this trend to extend use by dates using additives (as we did many decades ago) and whack up the prices even more...

It’s not our fault that we face short use by dates. I don’t know about anyone else, but I can’t eat an entire week’s worth of shopping in the space of a couple of days. I also don’t have the time, or the money (thanks to the scandalous cost of fuel) to travel back and fourth to the supermarket every few days like a total plonker. Local shops around here have almost entirely died away in the last 20-odd years and just about the only things surviving are newsagents, (with crisps, chocolate, chewing gum and alcohol), estate agents and florists. Our local market is acceptable and recently improved, but again, it’s a drive there and unless you want nothing but vegetables, you won’t find any food there.

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The bottom of the barrel really has been scraped.


Not quite Victor, but we’re getting there... Remember that the government haven’t introduced spy cameras in our own homes yet, or computer chips in our necks so they can track our moves to make sure we’re not up to no good. We do now live in what I believe to be a dictatorship state, but there is still just about room for things to get worse with this government. That’s the only road they go down, anyway.

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Has paranoia really set in, or have you boys been drinking this lunchtime? :wink:


A triple Jack Daniels on the rocks. I’m still awaiting a knock on the door from a government official to slap my backside... :wink:

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You can say what you like about the morality of over-consumption and deliberate wastage on fad-food and celebrity chef inspired faux-gourmet shopping expeditions.

But what gets me - really gets me is the SHEER effing PATRONISING WAY in which Gordon the Greeeny-picker has simply preached to the cuntery with the poise and attitude of some kind of evangelical nutter telling fourteen year old happy clappers not to pop their cherries until the wedding night.

THIS coming from someone who has presided over UNSUBSTANTIATED ROUND SUM EXPENSE ALLOWANCES. From someone who, himself no doubt snuffles at the subsidised trough of the Commons Dining Room. From someone who is SO effing WASTEFUL with OUR cash it hurts.

Well Mr Prudence get your own house in order. Strip out the layers of civil servants, of health service bureaucrats, of standards monitors, diversity consultants and inclusion units.

If this government is ONLY wasting £8.32 a week of my money on needless bureaucracy, mindless wars and touch feely projects I'd be a VERY happy man.

Until the government leads BY EXAMPLE and stops frittering away my money without asking permission, I'LL PISS IT UP THE WALL ON AS MANY KUMQUATS, OYSTERS AND HALF EATEN PACKETS OF FOIE GRAS AS I QUNTING WELL LIKE.

Bastards.

Retarded control freak bastards.

Waste my arse - wish someone would waste his for him :twisted:

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"The Commons Dining Room"

Do keep up CJ. There are no less than nineteen restaurants and bars in the Palace of Westminster.


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I’m still awaiting a knock on the door from a government official to slap my backside... :wink:


Now that's a good use of our taxes. :mrgreen:

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