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 Post subject: Police Curfews begin
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:04 am 
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Interesting devlopment

When does 'voluntary' mean that you have a choice, and when does it mean that you'll do what you're told to by the state?

Well, in Redruth, Cornwall, 'voluntary' clearly means the latter. A report in today's Times explains how 'voluntary' curfews are to be imposed on teenagers in the town, with all under 16s required to be off the streets by 9pm.

Police have written to local residents, asking for their co-operation in this 'voluntary' measure. Fair enough, you might think, but what will happen if they don't comply? As the Times reports:


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Parents who do not agree to the scheme, and whose children are found out after 9pm, could be subject to parenting or antisocial behaviour orders.


That's OK then -- completely 'voluntary'. The report quotes local Police Constable, Marc Griffin:


“This is a voluntary scheme but there is a hard edge in that if we find families who aren’t getting involved we can make orders."

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A spokesman for Devon and Cornwall Police said that most children would go home willingly if challenged. Others might have to be “escorted”. He said: “There are a belligerent few who will refuse to comply but officers are more than capable of persuading them to do so.”

Amidst the praise for the move, a lone voice suggests that there might be a better way of dealing with the problems that youth on the streets can actually cause:


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One father, however, was not convinced: “It’s just more words from police to make it sound like they’re doing something. What they need is more police on the beat. That’s the only way to stop trouble.”


But that takes time, money and effort, doesn't it? Far easier to 'cleanse' our streets with a curfew, isn't it?

Remember, if the Police can impose a curfew on teenage yobs, they can impose a curfew for just about anything they like. I was of the opinion that the Police uphold laws, not invent them.

The Police State approaches

hat tip to Patrick at the LPUK

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 Post subject: Re: Police Curfews begin
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I do not any problem with this, however, if it was by Gov. diktat and nationally I would. Clearly there are many black spots across the country where a curfew would provide a watershed at which time they will have to stop their acts of vandalism. I would also suggest that the hard core are taken out of public view and given a good thumping. If that does not work the the Magistrates should or 10 strokes of the Birch.

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oldrwb wrote:
I do not any problem with this, however, if it was by Gov. diktat and nationally I would. Clearly there are many black spots across the country where a curfew would provide a watershed at which time they will have to stop their acts of vandalism. I would also suggest that the hard core are taken out of public view and given a good thumping. If that does not work the the Magistrates should or 10 strokes of the Birch.


It sets a dangerous precedent though. If the Police can impose curfews at will, what is to stop them simply imposing a blanket curfew on everyone after 9pm? No more drunks, no smokers, no late night joggers, no troublesome "citizens". They need only watch from their cameras for any movement and another DNA sample is harvested.

Do you think the Government won't be watching this like a hawk? Imagine the plummet in crime figures if NO ONE was allowed out after 9pm - imagine the costs saved. Much easier than actually rounding the bastards up and putting them in jail.

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True but at the moment we are talking about 16 year olds that should be in bed at 0900PM.

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 Post subject: Re: Police Curfews begin
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So when should adults be in bed?

Don't worry, the Police will tell you

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Ah memories eh?

I can clearly remember turning off the Motorway and being refused 'permission' to drive home.

My crime? Having a football scarf on the back seat on a Saturday evening.

Now who was the Prime Minister at the time? Ah yes, now I remember. It was the mother of 'snouty' Thatcher.


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Bull Scheiße. More ZNL smoke!

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Some interesting afternoon reading here

http://www.cps.org.uk/latestpublications/?

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Now I realise that the school you attended in Birkenhead wasn't particulary good and I always try to make allowances for your valiant attempts at English.

However, even you, should know by now that you never mix languages.

'Bull' is either 'bulle', or 'stier'.

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Hard one that. I want the scrotes off the streets but I dont want them to be forced off the streets.
Wait a minute ,yes I do.

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Whatever happened to the notion of innocent until found guilty?

if similarly prejudicial actions were directed at ANY other grouping within society (Blacks, Asians, Muslims, Wimmin) Harperson would be on the soapbox in seconds.

This is no different in principle to the headmaster beating the entire fifth form just in case they misbehaved.



Heaven forbid that any fifteen year old from Redruth should be kept late at choir practice or bible studies or confirmation classes. ASBO for the churchwarden's daughter anyone?

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Think of all that lovely DNA they can harvest after the Church Hall disco kicks out at 10pm on a Saturday night

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This is the end :cry:


I am ready for the death camp :cry:


Goodbye freedom

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A truly chilling precedent. This is only the thin end of the wedge - these fascist bastards will soon be demanding a total curfew on everyone. Having capitulated totally to the (growing) minority of law breakers, they want to punish those who have never been accused of any crime, simply to make their own job easier.

**** the Police - I truly hope the first plods who try to enforce this get a real hiding. We have passed the point when power needs to be taken back by the people, by force if necessary. Bring back the May day riots. Bring on the bloody revolution.

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Come for a quiet stroll with me then in the fresh Autumn air.

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