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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:59 pm 
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I am only a very occasional poster on here, I know, but, the thing is, this is a chat forum. I'm pretty sure it was never meant to be taken seriously at all, despite the title. It's just like all the other chat forums really. Some posters on here are serious, some are not - SO?
If a topic get's 'highjacked' by a one-liner, well, so what? Just ignore it and carry on saying your piece.
There is some snobbery on this site of the 'I'm going to out-intellectualise you with my superior knowledge of the world and my weighty topics' variety, which is worse than the knobjoke one liners! But really, who cares?
Let's face it, most people on here will sit there thinking of things to grump about so they can join in!! Why? Because they want to chat, and get a response. Nothing wrong with that. Particularly if you work in an office of deadheads.


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Absolutely! This place has evolved over time. When it started it was populated in part by the debating society crew, like Athirat and Denkmal. They were intelligent folk but couldn't stand anyone having an opposing view to them so they moved on. They left behind their wannabe's like JQ, who desperately wanted to be like them but didn't have the intelligence to carry it off. We have now been left with a group of people who generally get along. We have differing views but we don't slag each other off or spit our dummies out because of it. Most new posters have sat and watched from the sidelines for a week or three so hit the ground running in the style we are used to. The formula was always here and it has always worked to quite a high standard.

So, what has changed. We have had people come and go and it has worked, look at the likes of Kim who has been mentioned many times, I would add DPD, Mozo, et al to that list also. But something changed! Since about the time the £1 fee was introduced! At the time it was necessary. It has served its purpose but maybe now is the time to let it go and advertise that fact.

If a car has a flat battery, changing the oil won't get it going. Hit the point of cause and get new blood in. Leave the rest alone.


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Apropos thread duplication, if the title bore some clue to the subject, this might lower the incidence of such.

As for one liners, why not? There are some pompous fúckers on here sometimes and every now and then it's good that their bubble is burst.

There is also a central clicque here too who think they own the bloody place.

The Oxford debating Society this ain't.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:33 am 

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OK it's head above the parapet time, thanks for all of the comments. The views expressed are many and varied.

Not much on here has been deleted I have deleted two of my first posts (I don't think they count) and months ago deleted a post by Kim and one on Miss D both of whom had requested that they be deleted. A couple of OH pornographic pictures were deleted as was a whole host of crap from GC.

If GC could come over here without being seriously offensive, trolling and advertising I for one would not have a problem with them.

We would like to see some new blood on here and are debating the merits of placing an ad' in Private Eye, any other suggestions would be gratefully received. :D


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:37 am 
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As you know I have a lot to thank this forum for. I agree with Haddock! Leave it!!!!!!

You have got to stop this nonsense now! If you want serious political discussion and debate bordering on hate then 8ugger off to "the other side"

I believe I have gained most from this site (ahhh thanks Miss D) but you are in danger of losing the cameraderie and spirit of this site if you insist on reglating comments. The point is that we are FREE to say what we wish, where we wish. That is the nature of free speech.

I get the feeling that free speech is not being facilitated here. Peer pressure drove Kim away and now you are all saying how much you miss her. FFS you don't know what you do want! Peer pressure works. If you weant high quality debate either go elsewhere (as Grumpy old men was never ever about high quality just everyday things that got our goat) or raise the level of debate with words of wisdom - NOT regulation.

Leave it alone or I for one will be gone. I need this sort of speech control like a hole in the head.

View this forum as we do life. Pick out the bits you like and leave the bits you don't. We cannot irradicate or move postings just because they are a bit lightweight? What next??

Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler...

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(PS I had to leave Miss D in London yesterday as I came back to Edinburgh. I am in a foul mood!)

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You have got to stop this nonsense now! If you want serious political discussion and debate bordering on hate then 8ugger off to "the other side"
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Leave it alone or I for one will be gone. I need this sort of speech control like a hole in the head.
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Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler...


Jesus man, have you lost your marbles?

> No one has mentioned speech control, there has never been a policy of deleting posts.
> No one has mentioned some sort of evil regime controlling what people grump about, this has simply been dreamed up from somewhere.
> No one has said that this place has to be purely a debating forum, because it clearly isn't.

All that is going to happen is that if a thread turns into (just for example, everyone does it from time to time) flirting between two posters, we can split out the flirting and move it OT, where it can continue as before.

What is the problem with having an electronic chat and a cup of tea in the OT area? Seriously, one of you "fascist mind control" lot explain this, as I don't understand.

All it means is that someone looking for a grump can do so in Grump of the Moment, and someone looking to talk about their favourite jam flavour can also do so in the OT section.

I hope that's allayed some of your fears.

Strawberry for me, by the way.

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I take issue with you TDA.

I, for one, did not attempt to hound Kim out and I felt that her contributions were often valuable, spicing up the board from time to time.

I do not believe that discussion always needs to be serious - take the Rugby thread and oxymorons threads for instance. We also have Bra Clips and PTMS as well.

Where I get disheartened is when, all too often, threads are started as attention seeking one-liners. This has the effect of pushing anything more interesting further and further down the board, especially as one liner threads tend often to spawn yet more one-liner threads from certain quarters.

Likewise, the pervasive innuendo that can take over otherwise interesting topics can become very very tedious. TDA, nothing personal - I am very pleased that you have found happiness with Miss D, you deserve it - but I don't want to read about it half way through a topic on, say civil liberties! (sorry if I've got the wrong thread, but you know what I mean)

The simplest thing would be to drag Bra Clips back to the fore and start bashing away on there - everyone reads it - even the likes of Thornhill and Old Righty!

You talk about self regulation and I can accept that, coming from a self-regulated profession myself. But if we are to self-regulate, we need to set ourselves certain standards and adhere to them.

I have no problem with regular lighthearted topics rearing their heads, but blatant silliness taking over half the threads on the board is distracting to regulars and will do nothing to encourage new blood, as would-be members will find little of interest, because all they will see is a board of banter between members of an in-house clique. Threads entitled 'mushrooms' or similar do need to be moved fairly quickly. They are off topic and if left as prominent items will only result in some bright spark discussing 'onions' followed by another on 'cucumbers'.

I often look back at very early threads and occasionally drag them back to the front - the 'quality' of some of the early stuff is pretty good.

We've all become familiar over time. That's not a bad thing. However if we want new contributors we also need to ensure that we do not become so intimidating as to scare them off.

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CJ wrote:
I, for one, did not attempt to hound Kim out and I felt that her contributions were often valuable, spicing up the board from time to time.


And that's enough of the speculative rubbish about Kim, who left of her own volition and clearly stated her reasons! She was hardly the type to be hounded out of a forum, was she?

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simonjolly wrote:
And that's enough of the speculative rubbish about Kim, who left of her own volition and clearly stated her reasons! She was hardly the type to be hounded out of a forum, was she?


What speculation Simon?

She boxed herself into a corner and then went - simple. I'd be happy to see her return and I'm sure she will!

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No speculation from your corner CJ, I meant on this thread in general.

Kim knows that she's welcome to return whenever she wants and I for one would bet that she does at some point.

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This is an excellent discussion but is in danger of repeating itself. A bit like those endless partners meetings that never decide anything. The way I see it is that the concensus is for the removal of the gate fee, and ideas to be put forward to bring in new blood. Everything else to remain more or less as it is.

Perhaps CJ should make a formal invitation to CG.

And with that a little light relief.

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jacobmarley wrote:
This is an excellent discussion but is in danger of repeating itself.


Seconded.

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Perhaps CJ should make a formal invitation to CG.


Those that were banned for being trolls, should remain so. They can always do what everybody else does when banned if they want to sign up and contribute positively anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:07 am 
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I agree with most of the posts on here in general, however I would not be happy with anyone offering an invitation to GC to come over in force. I was totally unimpressed with what I did see of them and never felt moved to visit or play at their site.

On their site they must play by their rules, surely it is reasonable that anyone on this site should do the same thing.

I had missed the introduction of a £1 charge to join, but as I stated before I have not been around as much as I would have liked for the last 6 weeks or so. Interesting concept.

Not sure about an ad in Private Eve but that could have interesting results.

Basically, I think just let it evolve naturally, remove dross to OT and let life rumble on.

Oh, and Vulcan, come back..... Please. :wink:

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Oh, and Vulcan, come back..... Please. :wink:


Seconded.

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Personally I do not agree with any sort of regulation. The forum looks okay to me. I did not join this site to be told what I can and cannot post.

As for the attention seeking one-liner topics, I agree that these add little to the forum. And the point about titles that mean something is a good one - how many times have we seen two or three threads that all start with the same BBC news link to the same story?

However, I do wonder what is meant by 'genuine' grumps. Who decides whether a grump is valid? As threads evolve they will naturally go off course, and if threads degenerate into one-liners or random conversations, maybe it is up to the GOM to bring the thread back on topic rather than bitching about it.

One thing I will say though: no more personal chit chat. Now THAT is chat room stuff. I am pleased that Holly is engaged, that TDA and Miss D are together, etc etc, but unless it is connected someway to a grump, keep the "How's the BF?" comments to PMs. Please.

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