Our crazy electoral system

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Our crazy electoral system

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Of all the records that have been broken at this General Election, the distribution of seats relative to number of votes cast is to me the most striking.

Like them or loath them, the Reform group (5 seats and 14% vote) would seem to have been treated unfairly when compared with the Liberal Democrats (72 seats & 12% vote).

There have been calls for a better, fairer system for electing MPs.

I am coming round to the idea of proportional representation in some form.
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Usually the Libdems bang on about PR . Unusually they have gone very quiet on this matter .
I cannot imagine why .
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williamtravis wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:07 am Usually the Libdems bang on about PR . Unusually they have gone very quiet on this matter .
I cannot imagine why .
Your point is well made but until Party politics is taken out of the issue of democratic accountability, there will be no change to our dysfunctional electoral system. How do you persuade politicians that they should set aside self interest in the public good? I don't know how to effect change with the present system in place as it has a built in defence against it.

Let us also not forget that the huge Labour majority is at the same time a very shallow one. Not to put too fine a point on it, we should remember that Starmer's Labour Party attracted half a million fewer votes this time than in their disastrous 2019 result with Jeremy Corbyn at the helm. :shock:
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Before the Election, we were told by Jeremy Hunt that there would be sufficient tax surplus to fund further tax cuts - hinting heavily that National Insurance would be reduced further.
We now have Labour saying that taxes must go up due to the dire state of the economy.This is clear proof that someone is lying. I asked Mrs H and she says all of them.
How would proportional representation redress the calibre of MP's?
Also, under PR my Cambridgeshire constituency could well have an MP from say, Eastbourne.
Meanwhile, Cameron quits again.
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Politicians only go into politics to self serve, that will never change. PR was put to the public in 2011, it was rejected by 67.90% of the votes cast.
I think voting should be a legal requirement for everyone, appathy is no excuse for F***ing the country up as the public appear to have possibly done this time around. How long will it be before Labour repeal all of the laws that restricted unions that Thatcher put in place to prevent the madness we saw in the 70s under Labour? Farage has a lot to answer for, had Reform not been a pleb magnet for votes Labour would not have a 400+ majority, the outcome would have been very different. I think we are all in for a very bumpy ride during this period with Labour having an unstoppable maJority, this is only the honneymoon period, a few months or a year from now I think Starmer wiil be toast, the left will be pushing their agenda and the country will be in a very poor economic position by the next election with high unemployment and debts. I know we are not in great shape now, part of that was due to cost of Covid and Brexit, the Tories did not get a good deal, and Northern Ireland was used as a porn in the political game by the EU. Apparently Blair is an advisor to Starmer, FFS he has done enough damage! This country is in very deep shit, and over the term of this government it will be getting deeper and deeper.
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Rudolf Hart wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:04 am We now have Labour saying that taxes must go up due to the dire state of the economy.This is clear proof that someone is lying. I asked Mrs H and she says all of them.
Jun 13, 2024
Keir Starmer standing at a podium in front of a red background with the phrase 'Britain's Future' written on it
Our plan for Britain is a fully costed, fully funded, credible plan to turn the country around after 14 years of the Conservatives. It contains a tax lock for working people – a pledge not to raise rates of income tax, national insurance or VAT.
Source = Labour Party Manifesto 2024

So which taxes are they going to raise so they can weasel out of their promise which mentioned specific levies.
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Boundah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:08 am
So which taxes are they going to raise so they can weasel out of their promise which mentioned specific levies.
I believe I have already expressed my concern that they will make your prime residence subject to Capital Gains Tax. If this happens then the property market will collapse.

Then there is the threat of a "wealth" tax. Put another way, there are voices in the Labour Party who are suggesting that savings should be taxed. Any one who has put money aside for their old age should watch out.

I fully expect Pensioners to face higher taxes than they already do and that Inheritance Tax will also be jacked up. They steal it from you while you are alive but not satisfied with that they come after you when you are dead.

If however you are the kind of person who thinks the World owes you a living without having to work for it and have zero ambition but to sit back in your council house and claim every benefit on offer then the future is looking rosy. :D
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I remember Cyprus and what they did to savings over €100K.
We've already got the £85K bank compensation limit.
So handy eh?
I advise taking cash out as much as possible for the next five years - sacrificing the interest, it may well be for the better in the long run - as well as a camouflage scrim net over the conservatory.
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