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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:35 pm 
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Couldn't do it could you, I absolutely knew you wouldn't because that would mean you putting your money where your mouth is and your not man enough to do that are you Eyeore? You keep spouting your bollocks, it obviously makes you happy and I'll keep pissing myself laughing at your stupidity.

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 9:02 am 
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Eyeore wrote:
To be fair, crutch's OP can be taken in two ways:
A That he's uncomfortable no longer believing
or
B That's he's uncomfortable not believing in a setting where he supposed to believe.

Most of us have chosen to assume the former.


Again, you seem unable to consider this from any other position than 'God exists'.

I thought the original post was very clear. It was a person displaying sadness, and a little disappointment, that something that had meant something to them had been realised to be nothing more than an empty, pointless concept.

The discomfort felt was actually about that negated belief being prerequisite to be a member of a of group, or 'club', not the feeling of no longer holding a redundant belief.

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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 9:14 am 
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The multi hundreds of religions were originally invented by humans to control other humans.
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He who has control wields the power.

If belief in fiction makes you feel better, carry on believing there's a "better" place, I'm happy for you.

We're the only animal on this planet with the ability to exchange a multitude of ideas through speech, the written word and pictures.
Because of that, we're also susceptible and many are ready to believe there must be a reason for being, therefore it's reasonable that some believe an afterlife is very likely for such amazing creatures that we are, or believe ourselves to be.
(The puniest creatures to inhabit planet Earth.)

Thinking about this at a basic level, we are of the earth and go back to it when our time comes to expire.

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:32 pm 
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lucemferre wrote:
Again, you seem unable to consider this from any other position than 'God exists'.
Anyone who bothers to actually read my posts over the years will know that is poppycock. I spend time thinking through many sides of spiritual matters logically exploring many paths to see where they lead. It's as a result of this that recently I've suggested that the atheists and hardline agnostics around these parts think through the full implications of what they believe.

The post of mine you just quoted Lucy also illustrated that I could see more than one aspect of the OP; I chose to respond to the one for which I was better equipped. I would hope that crutch will take or leave the all responses to his OP in the spirit in which they were offered.

That was a "bold" reappearance Elvis; good to hear from you. Are you planning to stay long enough to sort your avatar? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:24 pm 
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Eyeore wrote:
lucemferre wrote:
Again, you seem unable to consider this from any other position than 'God exists'.
Anyone who bothers to actually read my posts over the years will know that is poppycock. I spend time thinking through many sides of spiritual matters logically exploring many paths to see where they lead. It's as a result of this that recently I've suggested that the atheists and hardline agnostics around these parts think through the full implications of what they believe.


So utterly and completely deluded. It's almost quite sweet.

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:37 pm 
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Nice to see you posting here Elvis. You must have a good collection of grumps ripe for posting, after a long absence. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:10 am 
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Eyeore wrote:
I spend time thinking through many sides of spiritual matters logically exploring many paths to see where they lead.


Good grief you must be the dullest person in the world. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 11:30 am 
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vocal wrote:
Good grief you must be the dullest person in the world.
No, just someone who tries to put some on-topic thought into my posts; someone who wants to contribute constructively to threads; someone who prefers to spend more time using what "thinking"power God or natural process has given me than trolling forums.

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 11:38 am 
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Eyeore wrote:
vocal wrote:
Good grief you must be the dullest person in the world.
No, just someone who tries to put some on-topic thought into my posts; someone who wants to contribute constructively to threads; someone who prefers to spend more time using what "thinking"power God or natural process has given me than trolling forums.


The fundamental problem is that you cannot think through anything without starting from a basis of God existing.

It renders most of what you may come up with completely redundant.

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 12:01 pm 
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lucemferre wrote:
The fundamental problem is that you cannot think through anything without starting from a basis of God existing.

It renders most of what you may come up with completely redundant.
As I said, papaveris gallus

We all enter any thought process with an initial opinion, our current belief. Our intellectual integrity depends on how far from that position we are willing to honestly explore, even assuming that we properly understand our own position.

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 12:12 pm 
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Eyeore wrote:
vocal wrote:
Good grief you must be the dullest person in the world.
No, just someone who tries to put some on-topic thought into my posts; someone who wants to contribute constructively to threads; someone who prefers to spend more time using what "thinking"power God or natural process has given me than trolling forums.


Yes, like I said the dullest person on earth. And thats trolling forum not forums :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
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Eyeore wrote:
lucemferre wrote:
The fundamental problem is that you cannot think through anything without starting from a basis of God existing.

It renders most of what you may come up with completely redundant.
As I said, papaveris gallus

We all enter any thought process with an initial opinion, our current belief. Our intellectual integrity depends on how far from that position we are willing to honestly explore, even assuming that we properly understand our own position.


This is very easy to put to bed:

Would you ever accept proof that God does not exist?

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
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lucemferre wrote:
Would you ever accept proof that God does not exist?
and if I said "yes, like any incontrovertible proof of anything", what would be your carefully planned reply?

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
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Eyeore wrote:
lucemferre wrote:
Would you ever accept proof that God does not exist?
and if I said "yes, like any incontrovertible proof of anything", what would be your carefully planned reply?


Whatever it may be, it wouldn't be as carefully planned as your reply above.

Although, ironically, you've actually answered my question quite wonderfully.

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 Post subject: Re: Ive lost my faith
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Come on Lucy answer the question.

If it helps, OK, yes, like any incontrovertible proof of anything, I would accept it.

Your flawed train of reasoning then goes:
Well you can't prove a non-existence
Therefore Eyeore will never see absolute proof
Therefore Eyeore will never change his view
Therefore I was right in saying "you cannot think through anything without starting from a basis of God existing"

WRONG!

You would be incorrectly projecting your own stated position onto me. You're the one who has said he wouldn't change his view without absolute proof, not me. I'd change my outlook based on evidence short of proof, but evidence that has to be better than anything so far presented.

I'm the one who is willing to hypothecate there being no God and honestly try to think it through where that logically might lead. You've shown on more than one occasion that you are not willing to do the reverse and you bale out after about one step with "but there is no God".
In fact you've not even felt able to fully face up to where the non-existence of God might logically lead.

Why is my particular configuration of electro-chemical brain impulses causing your configuration to simulate a desire in you to attempt to stimulate my impulses to change their configuration..............or visa versa? :lol:

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