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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:57 am 
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The press today are saying the result will hinge on so called 'Workington Man'.
This country has had swathes and swathes of new housing developments built, many in places with such poor infrastucture and services that one wonders if there was ever some other motive?.............#gerrymandering, #westminster council, #homesforvotes, #justsayin, #cynical, #mois?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:29 am 
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I have voted Conservative all my life. At one time I was even a party member.

My constituency voted leave by 58%, my MP is a member of the cabinet. I shall not be voting for him in December.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:34 pm 
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For some reason best known to himself, Farage seems to have lost the plot.

Putting Brexit candidates up against 'Remoaners' is one thing. To put up candidates against those - mostly Conservative candidates - committed to Leave seems somewhat perverse.

It appears, on first glance, to be backfiring. Support for Brexit appears to be waning, and it is now beginning to look as if the Brexit party may fail to win a single seat, which would be a shame.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:43 pm 
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For some reason best known to himself, Farage seems to have lost the plot.

Putting Brexit candidates up against 'Remoaners' is one thing. To put up candidates against those - mostly Conservative candidates - committed to Leave seems somewhat perverse.

It appears, on first glance, to be backfiring. Support for Brexit appears to be waning, and it is now beginning to look as if the Brexit party may fail to win a single seat, which would be a shame.


I simply don't know who to believe.

Nigel Farage is saying Boris Johnson has to ditch his version of Theresa May's withdrawal agreement because it isn't Brexit. If he is right, then why have all the Euro skeptics backed the PM (if not his attempt to rail road it through the Commons) and voted for it. There is NO WAY that Boris Johnson is going to drop his hard won "deal " ...and Farage must know that. What on earth is he playing at? Perhaps he has gone mad?

If Farage is wrong and the Boris deal is a sensible form of Brexit then he gets my vote but what if he gets a working majority and goes for a no deal Brexit after all?

I don't know any more. I am just sick of the whole thing.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:35 am 
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Yesterday we received a letter from our current incumbent MP (Colin Clark, Gordon Constituency), threatening us with a SNP victory if we don't vote for him on the 12th.

It had something of an Orwellian tone to it - "you don't want Jones back, do you ?"

Unfortunately, he probably has a point.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:19 pm 
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The posties and now southwestern rail are striking in december - the labour gift that just keeps giving.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:38 pm 
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Guitarplayingoldgit wrote:
For some reason best known to himself, Farage seems to have lost the plot.

Putting Brexit candidates up against 'Remoaners' is one thing. To put up candidates against those - mostly Conservative candidates - committed to Leave seems somewhat perverse.

It appears, on first glance, to be backfiring. Support for Brexit appears to be waning, and it is now beginning to look as if the Brexit party may fail to win a single seat, which would be a shame.


I simply don't know who to believe.

Nigel Farage is saying Boris Johnson has to ditch his version of Theresa May's withdrawal agreement because it isn't Brexit. If he is right, then why have all the Euro skeptics backed the PM (if not his attempt to rail road it through the Commons) and voted for it. There is NO WAY that Boris Johnson is going to drop his hard won "deal " ...and Farage must know that. What on earth is he playing at? Perhaps he has gone mad?

If Farage is wrong and the Boris deal is a sensible form of Brexit then he gets my vote but what if he gets a working majority and goes for a no deal Brexit after all?

I don't know any more. I am just sick of the whole thing.


I genuinely do not think a no deal Brexit is something Boris wants. For me Farage has done his job, we have had a referendum, time for him to get a real job and stop playing politics, he is no good at it anyway. Would you trust him and his party of nobodies to run the country?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:04 pm 
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I know I've said in the past that I'm no longer voting Conservative as I believe the party hasn't been 'conservative' by it's definition for a number of years.

However when it comes to the upcoming general election, I'm absolutely stumped. On one hand I believe the Brexit Party offer true conservative policies which I value, but on the other hand they'd split the vote which could see Corbyn entering No.10 via the back door. A risky move which I'm not sure if I'm willing to take. Then we have Boris backing what his claims is a 'brilliant' deal which, if you read the blurb, is just a minor amendment to the horrific deal May was cooking up. However, he stands the best chance of keeping the loony left out of Downing Street.

My vote will either go to Boris or Farage. It certainly won't be going anywhere else. As of yet, I feel split more or less down the middle. It's a place I've very rarely found myself in when it comes to General Elections.

I'll see how things develop over the course of the month but it could be a case of tactically voting this time around.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:22 pm 
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I received a nice letter this morning from Boris Johnson. At least I thought it was nice until I realised it was just another request for money. It has, however, made me think about who I really want in Government.

If one thinks Boris has been cynically splashing the cash in the run up to the General Election,,,Corbyn is going around the Country making promises he can't afford. In fact if you listen to his list of spending pledges it makes him look like Santa Claus on speed. :shock:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:16 am 
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I shall be voting Lib Dem this time. Reading voted 58% remain, but my MP is a member of the cabinet. Hopefully others will join me and perhaps he will lose his seat.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:48 am 
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If we remain in the E.U. then the past few years will have been not just wasted but utterly in vain. :cry:

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Boris's deal may not be everything I would want from Brexit, but it is a darn sight better than May's deal. Personally, I would go along with no deal, and just walk away.

That being said, I have to be pragmatic and realise that a vote for the Brexit Party - for whom I voted in the Euro elections - would run the risk of letting in an unreformed Marxist in the shape of one Jeremy Corbyn. That would be a disaster on an unmitigated scale for this country.

I am hopeful that most Brexit Party supporters will take a pragmatic view. In strong Labour seats in the north, where the Conservatives have no chance, then the Brexit Party is the right way to vote.

In Conservative seats with a Conservative leave supporting candidate, then a vote for that person must be the right thing to do.

A vote for the Lib Dems is a joke.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:10 pm 
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In Conservative seats with a Conservative leave supporting candidate, then a vote for that person must be the right thing to do.

...and there's the dilemna - In a Conservative seat with a remain supporting candidate?

I see your previous Conservative MP, Heidi Allen, is on stage today campaigning for 'unite to remain'. - I really can see my MP joining her.

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In Conservative seats with a Conservative leave supporting candidate, then a vote for that person must be the right thing to do.

Surely that is debatable if you are opposed to brexit. I cannot see Corbyn forming an alliance strong enough to govern.

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I think Boris will walk it. All he needs to do is stay away from Ariel slides :lol:

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